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Garp
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| wewantourdarbyback wrote: |
Supporting a team is a fickle thing for many idiots want success and dont know the real meaning of being a fan these days. |
Really? Well that is me I guess  ....You see, I see it differently, and perhaps it is a generation thing. I would say that football used to be a sport, and now it is a business. That football at some clubs is a marketing tool, almost a bi-product, for selling a brand or franchise.
Players used to spend entire careers at one club. They were loyal, the fans could effectively bond with the players, the squad and the club....These days the players, the manager, coach, agent.....they are all in it for as much as they can get.....It makes me want to puke when I see a player kiss the badge these days....Fans have a right to kiss the badge, players are just a mercenary workforce.
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| Garp wrote: | | wewantourdarbyback wrote: |
Supporting a team is a fickle thing for many idiots want success and dont know the real meaning of being a fan these days. |
Really? Well that is me I guess ....You see, I see it differently, and perhaps it is a generation thing. I would say that football used to be a sport, and now it is a business. That football at some clubs is a marketing tool, almost a bi-product, for selling a brand or franchise.
Players used to spend entire careers at one club. They were loyal, the fans could effectively bond with the players, the squad and the club....These days the players, the manager, coach, agent.....they are all in it for as much as they can get.....It makes me want to puke when I see a player kiss the badge these days....Fans have a right to kiss the badge, players are just a mercenary workforce. |
Again I find myself agreeing with Garp
Loyalty in football is a thing of the past - fans used to be able to relate (sort of) to the footballers at their club as they lasted more than a nanosecond - WWODB - I agree some fans "don't get it" - in terms of really "supporting / caring" about a club - again I reiterate a point about how a loss of a game makes you "FEEL" - it genuinely ruins my saturday and sunday (I truly wish it didn't but I can't help it  ) and that is because the club (especially from the 1980's) became almost a religion and an obsession and now it sits with me and I think (but I could be wrong) that to get that "feeling" you have to (at some point) been attending game after game - there are other fans that pop in occassionally and always have done - and I think these fans are the ones you would describe as fickle (I don't actually think they are fickle I just think they can dip their toe in and out and brush off a loss without a moments hesitation). I can remember (way back) when we would go out on a saturday night and if we had been to ER and lost - it was like a morgue in the pub - everyone stood there staring at their pints - I can remember winning promotion and that whole year felt like the best year in living memory for me (not just the football but EVERYTHING). I have felt the same about England (and never ever attended a game) - I was absolutely gutted when we lost in the world cup semis and Euro 96 semis - really really gutted as if someone I knew had died - but I now care less about England because (going back to Garp's point I agreed with) - the players are just greedy overpaid over pampered pricks backed by businessmen out to make money rather than build a team who have the club at heart - as Garp says - they Kiss the badge then fuck off to the next highest bidder.
I don't see things getting any better with Football clubs but hopefully one day the bubble WILL burst and football will return to the fans (instead of the corporates)
I remember watching a scene from a film (possibly Naked Gun) when a "superstar" american footballer was at a press conference and says something like "I am honoured and proud to play for Philidelphia" (his agent leans across and whispers thats its Miami) and he shrugs his shoulders, smiles and says "whatever" - THAT sums up todays footballers_________________ 
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30 Mill
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| Its a combination of all the points both Armley Boxy and Garp make
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Garp
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| 30 Mill wrote: | | Its a combination of all the points both Armley Boxy and Garp make |
Thanks....Then write them down so we can read them you lazy git  |
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eddiesleftfoot
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Really good discussion this one. Like many posters on here I had a ST for many years. My reasons for not renewing were personal and work related. I have to say that financial issues never occured because no matter what you found the money to go even if it meant other sacrifices had to be made. But as already said if I get a ticket for Wembley I will not feel guily at all
With regards to how players are I no longer expect to see them staying at one club all their career. They will move on just as most of us would if a potential new employer offered us a much better deal. Rememeber, the only loyal people at a club are the fans not the players, the board or the menagement. In 10 years time we will still be supporting the club whilst I imagine most if not all of the current staff will have moved on.
As for being a fan, I agree with Boxy, my whole week is determined on how we perform - I know that's wrong but that's how it is. It really does have that affect on me, and being 43, I have to say my biggest fear is never seeing us win a major honour again.
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30 Mill
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Jailhouse John
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The ticket price argument is not an easy one to solve however the Survey that LUST did 18 months or so ago has proven to be accurate - when the club dropped its prices to the levels suggested by the fans in the Survey the crowds rose dramatically.
It was just a pity that the Trust did not get the recognition it deserved from the club for that piece of work - they (the club) are reaping the dividends now with continued higher attendances.
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halfaperson
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Can confer about the consequences of a Leeds result. A loss at home is absolutely devastating and completely FU the next few days. Losing away just messes up a day or so. Its completely different watching the Giants (RL). I can brush a loss off before ive left the ground. Tragically, England’s results still affect me even though I’ve tried not to let em. Those penalty shoot out losses (when we were a decent team) were gut wrenching.
There’s the other side of the story regarding players loyalty. In the days before the Bosman-Sky cataclysm players were treated like slaves by their clubs. The clubs held their registration and had complete control over their livelihood. They could dismiss them at the drop of a hat, reduce their salaries or they could simply drop them and refuse to sell them to another club. The clubs very rarely showed any loyalty to the players who were generally treated like racing dogs. The pendulum was way too far in that direction but it has swung way too far the other way now.
I think a lot of fans appreciate the motives and work done by LUST JJ even if the club doesn’t acknowledge it.
We can see the massive increase in crowds when the price goes down but you’ve got to ask yourselves, can this be sustained?. Would these 10 thousand extra people come every week at those prices or are they the people who cant/wont come every week and simply take advantage of the periodic price reductions to coincide with their periodic attendances. This floating body of fans is very difficult to predict. Couple that with the balance between how much regular fans are willing to pay and revenue generation required it is a very difficult decision. I think Batesy Boy has got it spot on this year as opposed to last years fiasco and yes LUST showed him the way last year.
You have to be in a very fortunate position geographically and economically to watch your team week in week out. I’ve never been comfortable with this concept of part time supporter. To me anyone who lives and breathes Leeds Utd and commits time, money, energy, comment, organization and care is a proper fan. If they get to the games as much as circumstances permit then that’s a bonus. There are lads at work who love the club just as much as me and are just as excited about the play offs as I am. If they didn’t have family, mortgage priorities etc they’d go just as much as me and I don’t see why they should be looked down at just because they go to the odd big game.
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