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Gopher · Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject:

Yes, thats it. Laughing

Takes me back to our relegation from the premiership year performances. Rolling Eyes

Fucking shite, and still £150k better off all of them.

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kevin177 · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:51 am Post subject:

what a pile of crap that was, never looked like qualifying all the way through the tournament. right the way from robinsons blunder in croatia right through to frank carsons blunder tonight.
we used to have great keepers but not now.
tactics were wrong tonight, everytime croatia broke through ot looked like they would score.
ffs lescott if he is an england international so then so am i.
gerrard and lampard cannot ply in the same team, end of.....fact.
we used to have great strikers, fair enough rooney and owen were injured but crouch out of all the team was the only one to come close to playing to near his full potential.

we have no confidence at all running through the team, it's not just mclarens fault but the whole structure of english football.
trevor brooking has been recently quoted as saying english youngsters are no where near good enough and that is simply down to the fa. he compared it to the spanish and french academies, to name but 2, as the proper way to bring up youngsters.
fair enough we have brought rooney through and richards but those other countries are churning them out ding dong.
the whole structure of english football needs looking at seriously with immediate impact.
it is up to the fa to act now to save the future of english football, but don't expect a devastating effect, it will take a good few years for it to come to fruition.
why the hell haven't we been planning for years ?
forward planning, we don't know the word of it.

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Cockney White · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:38 am Post subject:

There is a fundamental problem with English football and I think it is a big mistake to blame the number of foreigners in the Premiership. There are only so many foreigners in the Premiership because they are needed and that is because there are not enough quality English players. The reason why there are not enough quality English players is because the structure of English football is rotten from top to bottom. Training techniques appear to be rigid, antiquated and lacking in any form of real technical competence or allowance for flair.

For me, a good indicator of the true quality of the talent of a particular nation's players is the number of players who are deemed to be good enough to play abroad. The sad fact is, apart from Beckham at LA Galaxy, I can't think of a single one. Historically the Dutch have used coaching techniques that hold up against the best in the world and this is borne out when you look at van Nistelrooy, Sneijder, Robben and Drenthe at Real Madrid, van Persie at Arsenal, Seedorf at Milan, van Bommel at Bayern Munich, van der Vaart and de Jong at Hamburg, Babel and Kuyt at Liverpool, van der Meyde at Everton, Ooijer and Rigters at Blackburn, Boateng at Middlesbrough, de Ridder at Birmingham, Kluivert at Lille, Zenden at Marseille, Vennegoor of Hesselink and Sno at Celtic, van der Saar at Scum, etc., etc., etc. you see just how far behind we truly are.

I honestly think that we need to wake up, lower our expectations of the ability of our national team and realise that, until there is a major overhaul of the structure of football in this country, we will not be a major force in European, let alone World, football.

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HarryofOz · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:32 am Post subject:

CW I think you are correct in your assessment. From what I can see England simply does not produce quality footballers. Strong and fit and athletic, but no real class...especially in defence. To my mind, John Terry is just a big galoot with little skill. Compare today's players with the footballers in what was probably England's golden era of the 60s and 70s - despite more primitive training techniques and so on...they could play the game. Even the hard men of the game - like Norman Hunter at Leeds, even the defenders of those times had more skill on the ball than the playmakers and midfield supremos of today. I know he's not English but Britain has not even come close to producing another Alan Hansen in the last three decades.

One thing I would say however is that you cannot always look at the number of export - a lot of that comes down to money. The money is in Spain and Italy and England so players from around the world tend to go there rather than leave there for other pastures. I do agree with you about the quality of player that the Dutch system produces though. How they've not won a world cup is beyond me.

PS if its any consolation, the Australian Olympic football team has qualified for the Olympics

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cardboardbox?Youwerelucky · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:08 am Post subject:

It would also be interesting to see which National Side has the highest paid squad

I can hazard a guess as to who that is and they didn't qualify

All the "national pride" of playing for your country has been buried under money - look at how teams (not just premiership) now view the FA cup - weakened sides fielded in nearly all games - and its the same at international level

Why are the "poorer" footballing nations now getting to finals or at least causing major upsets along the way - are they getting better or are they just "laying their lives on the line" by playing with bulging pride for their country.

How many England players do you reckon will be genuinely gutted about missing out on qualification in the same way as the majority of the fans will be? £150,000 to console the poor souls (about 2 weeks wages then Evil or Very Mad

) - they will be gutted ONLY because their sponsorship deals will take a battering because they won't be appearing at a major final rather than from a football perspective - how many will think "at least I can have a rest next summer"

Money Money Money - and this is also part of the reason we HAVE so many foreign players because the agents for the english players demand much more money despite their player being mediocre - hence teams opt for a cheaper mediocre "foreigner" than a over paid over valued mediocre England Player. Until this rights itself we will get more and more foreign cast offs just because they are much cheaper

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30 Mill · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject:

How radically different was the side that played from the side you would have selected BEFORE the Croatia game

From my memories he was a 1/2 decent coach at Boro (oh and practically everyone wanted him in and Sven out - which was Englands first mistake imho)

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cardboardbox?Youwerelucky · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject:

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Mort · Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject:

In fairness, I think the problem goes deeper than that - it's all about the coaching from a very young age. This guy has some good points to make:

check this out

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