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 Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:07 am Post subject: Wise to enter loan market |
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From the YEP :
Leeds United boss targets a loan ranger
Dennis Wise
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Dennis Wise is considering an immediate move in the emergency loan market after revealing Tore Andre Flo and Leon Constantine will be sidelined for longer than expected.
The forwards are part of a lengthy injury list at Leeds United, and the pressure on Wise's present strikeforce – Tresor Kandol and Jermaine Beckford – is likely to prompt a new arrival after the Football League's loan window opens at the end of this week.
One potential target, Jemal Johnson, completed a permanent transfer from Wolves to MK Dons before last Friday's deadline, but Leeds have also been monitoring Leicester City strikers Elvis Hammond and Matty Fryatt and may push for a deal with either player once Leicester fill the managerial vacancy at the Walkers Stadium.
City are unlikely to agree any loan deals until they secure a replacement for Martin Allen, who was sacked six days ago, but Hammond and Fryatt were on the fringes of his squad and would improve United's pool of players while Flo and Constantine complete their recoveries.
Wise, who would be able to secure a loanee for a maximum of 93 days under Football League rules, said: "I'm trying to sign a striker because I've got Tore and Leon injured.
"They're going to be a little bit longer than we expected.
"If I get a problem with the two up front then somebody else is going to have to come in."
Flo damaged a ligament in his foot ahead of the Carling Cup tie at Portsmouth last week and may not return until the end of this month, and Constantine is expected to begin his comeback from an ankle problem shortly before Christmas.
Bloody Christmas why the hell did we buy him, surely the medical said how long he was likely to be out for.
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Flo was a desperation move last season, and in order to get him to come he was offered a one year extension to his short term contract if he wanted to take it. Since he's been crocked ever since, of course he was happy to activate the extension and there was sweet FA our medical staff could do about it as he didn't need to pass a new medical.
Constantine was a bit different, but I wonder if he took his medical and signed the (pre)contract before he got himself injured, so the club felt/was obliged to honour the deal regardless.
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| It's a long season and the fact is that both these players could have huge parts left to play for us. For all Constantine is out till Christmas do you really think we'd be able to buy anyone better in the January transfer window with clubs holding onto their assets to avoid relegation, win promotion etc. It will be like having him as a new signing.
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| weasel wrote: | | It's a long season and the fact is that both these players could have huge parts left to play for us. For all Constantine is out till Christmas do you really think we'd be able to buy anyone better in the January transfer window with clubs holding onto their assets to avoid relegation, win promotion etc. It will be like having him as a new signing. |
Constantine scored shit-loads in this division last season, so when he does come back it will not only be a new signing, but a new signing with a proven track-record..  |
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| weasel wrote: | | It's a long season and the fact is that both these players could have huge parts left to play for us. For all Constantine is out till Christmas do you really think we'd be able to buy anyone better in the January transfer window with clubs holding onto their assets to avoid relegation, win promotion etc. It will be like having him as a new signing. |
I don't get your point about Constantine. Why is it advantageous to sign a player who is not fit in August over a player who is fit in August
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| HarryofOz wrote: | | weasel wrote: | | It's a long season and the fact is that both these players could have huge parts left to play for us. For all Constantine is out till Christmas do you really think we'd be able to buy anyone better in the January transfer window with clubs holding onto their assets to avoid relegation, win promotion etc. It will be like having him as a new signing. |
I don't get your point about Constantine. Why is it advantageous to sign a player who is not fit in August over a player who is fit in August |
(2) Agreeing with H here...
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Basically it depends on what other optinos were available. In Constantine we have a player that wanted to play for us and is proven at this level as well as being available on a free. How many other players fitted that category?
For all he was signed when injured would we have been able to sign anyone else meeting that criteria in the summer or when the transfer window opened? Simple answer is no. So the option basically is to pay his wages or pay a transfer fee. How many strikers with the proven pedigree can you buy in the January transfer window for the cost of the 4 months wages Constantine will get before he is fit?
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On the subject of the H word
I think it was the HONOURABLE thing to do when he got injured
He had come to us, unpaid, quite possibly uninsured too, to get in the Leeds set up. He played practice matches for us and hurt himself in one of these
Well done Leeds for signing him up (assumes we have suffiecnt money for a luxury like this tho..)
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| BillH wrote: |
Constantine was a bit different, but I wonder if he took his medical and signed the (pre)contract before he got himself injured, so the club felt/was obliged to honour the deal regardless. |
What? I doubt Ken Bates has felt obliged to "do the right thing" for anyone at any time, especially when it would cost money.
Honour would appear to be a word for other people? |
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| raveydavey wrote: | What? I doubt Ken Bates has felt obliged to "do the right thing" for anyone at any time, especially when it would cost money.
Honour would appear to be a word for other people? |
I agree that "honour" and "Ken Bates" are mutually exclusive concepts. However, I'm suggesting the pre-contract terms meant there was no choice and the club could not pull out of the deal.
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| Why would the club want to pull out of the deal? We are signing a free player who scored 20+ goals in the division last season. Sure he is injured until Christmas but the season doesn't end at Christmas.
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| weasel wrote: | | Why would the club want to pull out of the deal? We are signing a free player who scored 20+ goals in the division last season. Sure he is injured until Christmas but the season doesn't end at Christmas. |
True. It;s also true that very few players who miss the first half of the season through injury ever regain full fitness for the remainder, and they frequently end up breaking down again.
As I said, had Constantine had to have a medical after he sustained his injury we would not have signed him because he would have failed.
i'm cautious about Constantine. He's 29 now, has had a whole host of clubs and only two good seasons to boast about, last season for Port Vale and the 2003-2004 season he spent at Southend. The rest of the time he's been either ineffective or unable to get himself into first team football. We'll have to see which Constantine turns up for us when he recovers from injury - the lethal one or the anonymous one happy to cllect his money and move on at the end of his contract.
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