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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:02 pm    Post subject: "The League 1 Club With Premiership Attendances" Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We were also the 5th or 6th biggest crowd last weekend, and that is no mean achievement when a lot of clubs had do or die fixtures, and we did not.


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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if anyone has posted it elsewhere but there were a couple of articles on the Net the other day

1) Of the 10 highest crowds in league 1, 9 took place at Elland Road. The only exception being Forest v Carlise which came 9th

2) 20 of the 23 teams in the league had their biggest home crowd of the season against Leeds.



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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HarryofOz wrote:
Not sure if anyone has posted it elsewhere but there were a couple of articles on the Net the other day

1) Of the 10 highest crowds in league 1, 9 took place at Elland Road. The only exception being Forest v Carlise which came 9th

2) 20 of the 23 teams in the league had their biggest home crowd of the season against Leeds.


And Leeds couldn't play themselves at home! The only away games where we didn't have the highest were Forest (apparently they set a price of £5 per ticket for the Carlisle game) and Southend (between by 9)


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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it any wonder that clubs have an interest in Leeds United being in the league? The gate stats show huge increases when we were in town.


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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Garp wrote:
Is it any wonder that clubs have an interest in Leeds United being in the league? The gate stats show huge increases when we were in town.


Bet the public house's intakes were well up those days as well (even without me there(before anybody else says anything))



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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Garp wrote:
Is it any wonder that clubs have an interest in Leeds United being in the league? The gate stats show huge increases when we were in town.


Whos not famous any more ?  


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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trouble is, Those figures are only relevant when the club is going somewhere, ie, up the league.  Remember the year after Cardiff.   Gates at ER of 12-14000.  What I want to know is, where were those fickle fuckers then????  My lads gutted we can't go to this game on Mon!!  All because certain people who "don't want to line Bates pocket" when were shit actually going to this game.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Trouble is, Those figures are only relevant when the club is going somewhere, ie, up the league.  Remember the year after Cardiff.   Gates at ER of 12-14000.  What I want to know is, where were those fickle fuckers then????  My lads gutted we can't go to this game on Mon!!  All because certain people who "don't want to line Bates pocket" when were shit actually going to this game.
Then again, look at the attendances in detail... As soon as the prices came down at the back and of last season more people came, and it was shown that people who were saying that it wasn't because of the club not doing and that it was the high prices were shown to be right, so when the lower prices continued this season the crowds stayed high. Therefore the extra's who would go to big games, like me in many cases, mostly for the reasons that they can only afford a couple of games a season, or have to organise it around many other things (or find some fucker to go with) are now added onto even more fans than before. I'm pretty sure that the majority of the extra's arent coming out of being Fickle.



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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then again, funny how me and my lad used to go CHEAPER when Bates took over than the Ridsdale era eh?  I haven't had a ST for years now, cos of work etc.  YES I will continue to call a lot of em fickle.  Tell me, who was it paying for a family ticket yet taking 4 adults and NEVER getting checked?  Yup, those fans that stayed away in droves once their little ruse was found out!!

The ones that whinged about Bates prices were the ones RIPPING off the club for years!!  Funny how ST sales for the gelderd never went down.  Same thing happend as it did in the 80's.  YUP glory supporting fickle twats.  Remind me how much the prices went up by in the 80's.....  Mmm, funny, they DIDN'T.  Sick and tired of hearing about Bates prices!!  So on average 15 - 20 Thousand people walked away from ER cos of prices.  BOLOX!!!
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one as I'm never going to relent to calling myself Fickle and your set in your argument



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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets get one thing straight!!!!  

1. I have NEVER called you fickle!!!!!!


My argument towards "fickle" are those that openly decry the present regime at ER and claim not a penny will pass to said regime so long as Bates is in charge!!!!  However, funny aint it that they have tickets to the game.  See my point??

I have NEVE had a problem with people that don't go for reasons of low income, distance to ER, incapacity work etc.   MY argument has alway been with those that constanly claim Leeds are shit, Bates is shit, I'll not go while we play like that, etc etc etc.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even when prices have been cut, i.e. carling tin pot cup (or what ever they call it now) we would only get in the region of 14.000 so ticket prices argument is a non starter for me!! I know people have work, money , travel expenses issues and I accept that, but there are a lot of "Leeds fans" who could go to a game but never til we are in cup finals, playoff. Are they thinking if we go to the playoff games we will get tickets for the final!!!!!!



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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I remember rightly Pat, those that bought either home or away tickets for the PNE PO's did get priority for final tickets!!
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArmleyWhite wrote:
If I remember rightly Pat, those that bought either home or away tickets for the PNE PO's did get priority for final tickets!!


I thought it rang a bell.



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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems to me that a side on the up will get decent gates, and that these will drop as a club becomes less successful. Prices will impact on some peoples ability to go to games, and I can see the argument that if prices are high, some of us would need to pick and choose the games we go to.

You will always get more people in for the big games. Can't say I blame anybody for choosing to go one week and not another, because the competition or opposition is more or less appealing. A day at ER costs me in the region of £100. I pick and choose without a conscience, and I will not spend 1p on pies, beer, shirts etc. Perhaps I am a fickle fan, but no more fickle than the band of disloyal employees at ALL professional football clubs, who, at the drop of a hat, will disregard their contract in search of a few more pounds.

Ken Bates and Leeds United do not need my money. Football at the higher level  is a discustingly wealthy business. Perhaps the greedy owners, Sky, players, managers and agents should earn less, and the money more fairly ditributed throughout lower levels of the game.

Season ticket holders and club members get priority treatment, and rightly so. There are other loyaly systems that could be introduced. I used to go to all of the England games at Wembley (back in the late 70's). When a big game came up, such as Brazil or Germany, the fans that had attended most games got priority for the tickets. The system always worked for me at the time.


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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems my explantion of my use of the word Fickle has upset some???  I've already said what I meant!!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has not upset me at all.... Smile  I am happy to be fickle.....I pick and choose.... Laughing


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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with Garp on this subject -

When a team is doing well they usually always get more fans through the door (because they have a reeasonable chance of seeing their team play well and win). If they are playing a high profile match again they will get a large crowd due to the prestige of the event. It happens in whatever sport (not just football) - different categories of "match" for the opposition / demand for tickets.

Its no different to going on holiday - prices are higher in school holidays because there is a higher demand for them.

My personal belief is that the ticket price reduction that Bates made at the end of last season and the start of this season PROVED that fans were there (and always have been) at a certain price (and Si I accept that you were paying less for your tickets previously) but on average around the ground they were cheaper - again it is no different to a "bargain" happening at ASDA - people go along and buy the product because of the price not necessarily because of the product - last season Bates dropped the price and the crowds increased dramatically (even though there was a strong chance we would get beat) - but the support did exactly that - it came and supported the team.

The injustice at the start of this season (and again the expectation level) meant a bumper crowd at the start and a great winning run meant that ER was getting good crowds again (but the price was right - to coin a phrase) - the crowds still have fluctuated wildy this season and this has usually coincided with a run of poor results (rather than price).

My personal belief is that if KEN had KEPT the prices at the same level as the start of last season - the crowds would have been 15,000 again.

I'm sure most fans are FICKLE - many support the team when they are doing well and have less of an interest when they are doing average (they also tend to come back when the team are in dire straits - i.e. end of last season) - and the prices exacerbate this problem because those that borderline this "fan" profile will NOT turn up if the price is too high.

I followed the team week in week out from Bremner as manager to Wilko's departure and I did so without a second thought - the final demise (and price) in the premiership put me off / ruled me out of renewing my season ticket for the first time in (10?) years.

I find it surprising that you ARE surprised that fans suddenly want to go support their team when they have a chance of major success -surely that is just commin nature - I haven't been all season but given the chance of going to wembley (should we get there - touch wood) I would absolutely have no hesitation in going. I don't see that as a glory hunter I just see that as a once in a lifetime opportunity to see the team I love get out of this league and celebrate with other like minded people.  I don't support Leeds United "less" just because I don't go to the games - I am still as pissed off on a saturday night (and sunday) when we have lost a game as everyone else. And I am sure our Aussie friends feel no different. The only difference is I haven't shouted myself hoarse and paid top dollar for a pie and pint and physically seen the game.

(I might have lost track of what I was sayign towards the end   )



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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArmleyWhite wrote:

I have NEVE had a problem with people that don't go for reasons of low income, distance to ER, incapacity work etc.   MY argument has alway been with those that constanly claim Leeds are shit, Bates is shit, I'll not go while we play like that, etc etc etc.


in that case i withdraw my complaint.

Its the same it football everywhere unfortunately. To take RDFC as an ideal example when they were first in the conference (whilst on the up) we were getting attendances averaging 3500, now we are back there the attendances are nudging 1500. Fans are fickle.

I will have to say that i was the same as you when there were 3500 at the pre season friendly against Spurts in the summer and we were enquiring as to where all these were on a normal match day? Or the sudden uptake in crowds at Kettering Town when they got money.

Oxford United's attendances have decreased this season as they are no longer at the top of the table. Forest do not get anywhere near the crowds they would get if they were still higher now they are in league one (although not for much longer). Where are all those who watched Br*tford when they were in the prem? how have Franchise FC got their gates above 10000 in one season?

Supporting a team is a fickle thing for many idiots want success and dont know the real meaning of being a fan these days.



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