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From the BBC.......Savages lead by savages....Thank goodness that the Muslim community in the UK is being responsible and level headed in its comments.....No chance the the brain dead BNP types will take such a level headed view of events at home.
Marchers took to the streets after Friday prayers to denounce the sentence as too lenient.
The protesters gathered in Martyrs Square, outside the presidential palace in the capital, many of them carrying knives and sticks.
Marchers chanted "Shame, shame on the UK", "No tolerance - execution" and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad".
Hundreds of riot police were deployed but they did not break up the demonstration.
In my view, we should not recognise this state in any way shape or form. Secure the release of the British woman, get her home, and then expel the Sudanese ambassador and foreign office staff. Cut all communication and warn Brits not to travel there. If they want to live like savages in the dark ages, let them do so.
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| nlag wrote: | From the BBC.......Savages lead by savages....Thank goodness that the Muslim community in the UK is being responsible and level headed in its comments.....No chance the the brain dead BNP types will take such a level headed view of events at home.
Marchers took to the streets after Friday prayers to denounce the sentence as too lenient.
The protesters gathered in Martyrs Square, outside the presidential palace in the capital, many of them carrying knives and sticks.
Marchers chanted "Shame, shame on the UK", "No tolerance - execution" and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad".
Hundreds of riot police were deployed but they did not break up the demonstration.
In my view, we should not recognise this state in any way shape or form. Secure the release of the British woman, get her home, and then expel the Sudanese ambassador and foreign office staff. Cut all communication and warn Brits not to travel there. If they want to live like savages in the dark ages, let them do so. |
Absolutely agree - its about time our government started to say enough is enough - (for once) brown got it right (last week) by not attending the European event with Mugabe attending_________________ 
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| cardboardbox?Youwerelucky wrote: | Personally I would like to see Brown remove ANY aid we give this country at all and impose any sanctions we can regarding trading with us.
But we never will - we never ever send any messages out now to the outside world that we don't get pushed about and we will defend our citizens when we deem it appropriate - instead we roll over on to our backs and wait for our tummy to be tickled (or bend over and wait to take it up.......) |
Bang on right.
I agree with many of the points about this being driven by fundamentalists, but this is a ridiculous situation and the Sudanese government could have quickly and easily kicked her out of the country and ended the matter with a minimum of fuss. As it is the matter play into the hands of axe-grinders on both sides.
However, she's in jail and I feel that the minute she's out of the country we should cease all aid. Simple, act in this way and you don't get our money. I dread to thing how many millions a year in our taxes are heading their way - and to regimes like tham
Lets be totally honest - the Sudanese government can't be short of a few quid as all the news coverage of this has shown their ambassodor swanning round the FCO in a shiny S-class Mercedes complete with "SUD 1" plate and blinged up alloys. |
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Karl Marx was spot on when he said 'religion is the opiate of the masses'.
Religion (God's will) has been used since time began for those in power to justify their power and the privileges that come with it over those who are downtrodden and exploited by those in power.
Religion has nothing to do with a belief in God it is about the alleged practices that come with that belief. It is used by those is power to dominate the thoughts of others and take away their possessions (for example tithes).
And the more religious people are, the more they hate anyone who is different to them.
Personally I don't believe in God...I believe man created God for his own personal selfish reasons rather than God created man. Or maybe, man created and shaped religion rather than any divine being doing so.
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I have some good friends who are hugely religious. The more religious they have got, the more giving and loving they have become.
It is the human will of hateful humans that manifest hatred and greed in society, in the name of religion. If religion did not exist would man live happily side by side?
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| Like they do now ?
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| My point is that religion is a convenient peg to hang problems on...If we did not have religion there would be another scapegoat. Things would be no better or worse, just different excuses.
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| nlag wrote: | | My point is that religion is a convenient peg to hang problems on...If we did not have religion there would be another scapegoat. Things would be no better or worse, just different excuses. |
The problem is that religion is more wide-spread than any other unifying force and more serious in that you are promising the individual eternal salvation no matter what you ask them to do because what is being done is being done in the name of God.
Religion can call to arms many more people than nationalism can and a true believer who believes that God will take them to heaven if they kill person X is more dangerous than one who is being paid to kill person X or even is willing to kill person X for patriotic reasons.
Religion like other beliefs (patriotism for example) is often misused and abused to cause harm to others and as I said is more dangerous because of its numbers and spread. Using Islam as an example - and I'm not saying Islam is better or worse than any other religion. But lets us assume that Islamic leaders all over the worlds want to spread Islam by way of force...that is more dangerous than a single country wanting to spread its wings by way of force. In my opinion anyway.
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Its way too late to do all those complicated quotes lol.
You are right the danger lies with extremists and sensible followers of any religion will reject the calls to arms by extremist leaders. The same way that patriots or anyone who loves their country will reject extremist nationalism and xenophobia.
The major wars in the last century were nationalistic but the Nazis for example still used religion - exploiting anti-semitism - as part of their plans. They were helped in their genocide against the Jews by people from many nations - take away religion and religious prejudice.
The US has been a major player in world conflict no doubt - but again is using religion (anti-Islam) as a major incentive in its current campaigns. Even the cold war was a fight for the God-fearing against the atheistic communists.
Religion is a dangerous weapon because it crosses national borders.
I admit I was generalising when I said that religion only leads to evil/wrong behaviour on the part of the religious but I still think that it has more potential to cause harm than other beliefs.
There are too many people who are selfish and power-hungry for man to live in peace side by side...I simply cannot see that ever happening...and such people will use anything from 'false patriotism/nationalism' to religion to achieve their aims and I think religion is the most dangerous weapon available.
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| nlag wrote: | | HarryofOz wrote: |
There are too many people who are selfish and power-hungry for man to live in peace side by side...I simply cannot see that ever happening...and such people will use anything from 'false patriotism/nationalism' to religion to achieve their aims and I think religion is the most dangerous weapon available. |
Firstly, don't be dissing me quotes....First time I have ever managed that. 
Essentially we agree on the major point. Religion can be perverted and used as a dangerous and potent lever. It can also be used as a passive and caring way of life. It says in Revelations that the word of Christ will be spread to all corners of the earth. I go to church most Sunday mornings, and I haven't had my call up papers for a global crusade yet .
If you take enough people, at an impressionable enough age, and preach a philosophy to them day in and day out, you will end up with a loyal and focussed force, willing to do almost anything in the name of the cause. My belief is, that if religion did not exist, humans would have found someother reason to pour hatred onto one and other. |
Firstly I apologise if I offended you with any criticism of religion or religious ..I know you haven't indicated any offence, but just in case I have.
And you are right religion can be used to teach good and compassion and decency. I suppose I get angry when religion is not used for such things because that is what a good faith system/belief should do. Its almost because I expect anyone who says they believe in God to automatically be a good person that it adds to my disappointment/resentment/anger when it turns out that they are not.
And as to your last point...I agree absolutely...those in power will almost inevitably create hatred and try and instil hatred against anyone who threatens their power and those who want power and don't have it will do the same against those who do.
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Would now be a good time to reflect that the major organised religion in this country came about because someone couldn't get a divorce a few hundred years ago? It's also no secret that many organised religious festivals take place at around the time when older (e.g. pagan) festivals used to happen.
I guess I'd call myself a non-practising Christian. Do I believe in God? Well I believe that there is some greater presence out there than I will ever understand. I can't see that doing so would make me want to go out and kill people who held a different belief though, so I'm not sure what motivates some others.
I'm also fairly sure that there won't be a specific passage in the Koran calling for much of what goes on in the name of "Islam", but I'm sure there are plently out there who are quite happy to twist things to suit their own purposes. |
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. Sorry only half joking. Human rights infringements are never ok and the world should unite and put it right. But as you metaphorically and accurately put it there is no real motive for the leaders to change things as long as they are all milking the same beast. Any change has got to come from bottom up.
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