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Where the days news stories can be dicussed, and members of parliament, heads of business, world leaders can be generally taken the piss out of and abused..

cardboardbox?Youwerelucky · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:28 pm Post subject:

I think that ^^^^^^^^^ is a great idea - serious debate thread

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Cockney White · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject:

OK, I think that if Labour win the next general election it would be a tragedy..Discuss..

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wewantourdarbyback · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject:

cardboardbox?Youwerelucky · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject:

Cockney White · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject:

I fear you're right about pretty much all of that.. Sad

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wewantourdarbyback · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6660637.stm

I found that fantastic, I've been to Zimbabwe, its a wonderful place, and i hate what that monster Mugabe is doing to it. So its good to read how people are getting round the problems

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wewantourdarbyback · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject:

just to add to this a quote from another article

Gopher · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Daily Current Affairs Section

raveydavey · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject:

Gopher · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject:

I think it`s finished already Dave. Confused

Too many fucwits in charge.

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halfaperson · Allan Clarke Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Posts: 707

like the new topic addition Very Happy

. Just hope it doesn’t de generate like political forums do. Looks like it could with all the fucking neo Nazis we seem to have on here Wink

. (In actual fact I could quite easily christen my political faith as a pint of Socialism with a twist of Nazi and a dash of Aristocratic bile).

So If we are going to nail our political colours to the mast I might as well join in. Like ravey in the other thread I have voted labour at every general election since I was old enough. Like him, that night in 1997 I really felt an almost euphoric expectancy that good things were coming.

Since I was old enough to think I have reacted against the injustices of prejudice. My whole political outlook is based around the simple notion that every single child born on the planet has a right to expect an equal chance of achievement regardless of color race or any other random circumstance that affects them. That, to me especially includes class. I also happen to believe that there are very few people who actually oppose that view.

To supplement that I passionately believe that the human race has an almost god imposed obligation to help each other. The only people I have ever met who think the same as me are Socialists and that is why they are my favorite kind of people and that is why I will always vote for the party who at least masquerades towards that general direction (like our current government does).

It is also the reason that as long as I have a hole in my arse I will never vote tory. All I have ever heard from them in nearly 50 years experience is snobbery, lies, prejudice, selfishness, waste and criminal indifference to anyone who was not born into their privileged middle England world. That is when they had a policy though. This latest lot has all those characteristics without the policies.

OK Tangent time. Actually I think the concept of assessing domestic political parties is obsolete. We cannot operate as an island. Politics is global now. We can not make decisions without them been immersed in global connotations. How can we assess the difference between home political parties when the real owners of the planet are the oil oligarchs, banks and the international corporations? These non elected rulers of the planet make the decisions that the political parties have to cow tow to. That is why the difference between them is so slight, but slight enough for me to make a choice.

The things you mention ravey, boxy etc are uncannily identical to the things I get angry about. Probably the difference is that I think they would get worse under another government because they are driven by global factors and I do not think the Tories can operate in the global environment. Despite all Camerons rhetoric and imagery I haven’t heard him say a single thing that I think would make a difference.

nlag · Guest

I haven't nailed my neo nazi colours to the mast yet Smile

, and I too have voted Labour, as well as SDP and Tory in my too many years of having the vote.

I don't think Globalisation is an insurmountable situation. The problem in my view is that there are no politcal big hitters on the global stage, and no politicians with the will or ability to convince an electorate to elect them with such a mandate. A simplistic example being that Bush will not support curbs on emissions because of the impact it would have on party funding and ultimately share of vote. Herein lies the real issue to me, that a political party (all political parties) will compromise what they know to be right in the search of power (Hence a Labour Party more right wing in 2000 than Ted Heath's Tory party was in the 70's).

I believe that cultural differences should be appreciated and respected. I am anti European and believe that it will, over decades erode all traces of national identity in the Euro zone (Kosovo may remain an exception Shocked

and any one going in there to sort it gets my respect).

I think that every person born has basic human rights to food, shelter, heat, water etc. I am not offended by wealth or inheritance, although I do think that wealth, inheritance and income tax should be paid, and set sufficiently high to help address social inbalances.

Perhaps controversially, I also believe that I was born a Christian in a Christian country. Whether a person chooses to follow that religion or not is of no concern. The Christian church should be viewed as the primary church . The media, Parliament, the monarchy should be able to be openly Christian without fear of being politically corrected, or of offending other religious beliefs. All school children should attend school assembly based on Christian hymns and prayers. This is England, part of Great Britain and it is a Christian society.

cardboardbox?Youwerelucky · Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject:

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If Morrissey says it, it must be right Very Happy

....Is it too late to change by comments on identity Embarassed

? He is being labelled racist....Am I racist too?

Morrissey: British identity 'lost'
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Singer Morrissey has sparked controversy by claiming British identity has disappeared because the country has been "flooded" by immigration.

The former Smiths star, originally from Scumchester, suggested that immigration was one of the reasons he would not move back to Britain.

Morrissey, 48, who has spent most of the last decade living in LA and Rome, told NME magazine countries like Germany still had their own identity and complained of not hearing "British accents" on the streets.

Asked whether he would move back to Britain, Morrissey, the son of Irish immigrants, said: "Britain's a terribly negative place. And it hammers people down and it pulls you back and it prevents you.

"Also, with the issue of immigration, it's very difficult because, although I don't have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears.

"So the price is enormous. If you travel to Germany, it's still absolutely Germany. If you travel to Sweden, it still has a Swedish identity. But travel to England and you have no idea where you are."

He added: "It matters because the British identity is very attractive. I grew up into it, and I find it quaint and very amusing.

"But England is a memory now. Other countries have held on to their basic identity, yet it seems to me that England was thrown away."

He agreed that immigration was enriching the British identity but added "you have to say goodbye to the Britain you once knew".

Morrissey said: "The change in England is so rapid compared to the change in any other country. If you walk through Knightsbridge on any bland day of the week you won't hear an English accent. You'll hear every accent under the sun apart from the British accent."

Cockney White · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject:

What's controversial about those comments then? To me, he's just stating facts.

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Gopher · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject:

He is. Read this in paper earlier. He is only stating the facts as our resident Cockney rogue has stated. Cool

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nlag · Guest

I fear that there will be the usual mix of loonies, do gooders etc. who will not agree. Rolling Eyes

Gopher · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:11 pm Post subject:

True. Although I think they should be collectively named "Fuckwitts" as that describes them perfectly. Very Happy

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halfaperson · Allan Clarke Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Posts: 707

Much as I love the Mozzer i can’t help noticing a couple of inconsistencies with what he says, He seems to lament the passing of this British Identity yet at the same time says Britain's a terribly negative place. And it hammers people down and it pulls you back and it prevents you.

That could be a classic Mozzer lyric. Although I class myself as patriotic and love my country and I agree entirely with it. In other words there is part of the British Identity that I wish would disappear forever.

We’ve always had a steady influx of immigrants and almost without exception they have enhanced our country. The East Europe post war migrants, the Irish, Greeks, Italians, Chinese, Caribbean’s and Asians have all injected their influence on us and we seem to have enjoyed it on the whole. Its only these days that its become a worrying issue. Why is that?

Lets be honest here it is the fear of Islam who have been angered by a fear they have. That fear is the gradual increase in dominance of World affairs by Western Capitalism. So much so that we seem to think we can invade territories we don’t like and support an occupation of their land. Whilst not necessarily agreeing with it I think they have a point here.

Final Point. If anything is eroding our British Culture and identity it is the ever increasing copying of all things American. Sometimes this is a good thing but if you take a look at the things that to me have made our society worse they all seem to have originated from across the pond. Drugs, guns, libel suits, compensation claims, shit tv, celebrity obsession, Graffitti, Loan/Debt culture, Sleaze, Expensive further Education, So Called Urban/Street Culture, Shite RnB. Political Correctness, Surveillance, Compliance, Xenophobia, Brutal Building and Development programs, Shit public Transport, Worst of all for me is the disappearance of a vibrant working class. This seems to have been replaced by a compliant hard working earning class and a nasty underclass with all the social consequences that brings.

Reading this back it Sounds like im one of these fuckwitts you mentioned Goph. Hope it doesn’t come across like that cos I care about our British identity and culture. I don’t mind change as long as its positive change and yes i share everyone’s concern that what we are seeing these days is not.

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