raveydavey
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Vote!!!!If you're in England or Wales today is polling day.
You still have a couple of hours to go an exercise your democratic right. A right that people have fought and died to protect. Please make the effort if you haven't been yet.
I wouldn't presume to tell anyone how to cast their vote, but when I cast mine today I thought about the final salary pension I used to have, the fact my council tax has more than doubled in the last decade, the fact my tax burden has increased to over 40% of my hard earned wage in the last decade, the fact it now costs me over £50 to fill the tank of my small hatchback car with diesel and the fact that I can now be fined £85 for not putting my wheely bin in the right place at the end of the road were all thoughts in my mind.
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NE1
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As I went after 5pm I wanted to enter another row on my ballot sheet
Leeds United +15pts (tick)
(breathe....calm......breathe ......calm)
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ArmleyWhite
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Well, I voted for the councillor who has worked like a trojan for our community over the last few years. Alison Lowe, along with Jim McKenna and Janet Harper have been worth more than their weight in Gold.
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Tommo
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| ArmleyWhite wrote: | | Well, I voted for the councillor who has worked like a trojan for our community over the last few years. Alison Lowe, along with Jim McKenna and Janet Harper have been worth more than their weight in Gold. |
Me too!!
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cardboardbox?Youwerelucky
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Re: Vote!!!! | raveydavey wrote: | If you're in England or Wales today is polling day.
You still have a couple of hours to go an exercise your democratic right. A right that people have fought and died to protect. Please make the effort if you haven't been yet.
I wouldn't presume to tell anyone how to cast their vote, but when I cast mine today I thought about the final salary pension I used to have, the fact my council tax has more than doubled in the last decade, the fact my tax burden has increased to over 40% of my hard earned wage in the last decade, the fact it now costs me over £50 to fill the tank of my small hatchback car with diesel and the fact that I can now be fined £85 for not putting my wheely bin in the right place at the end of the road were all thoughts in my mind. |
And yet bizarrely inflation is still only 2.5% (I assume this is applicable to the residents on the moon  )
Still don't let "changing the index that inflation is based on so that the figures look much better just as we came into power" cloud your judgement 
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wewantourdarbyback
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rather different voting here than twas at home, they're both areas where the same party is going to come out top year upon year but opposite parties
and was sad to see that the BNP were only a couple of thousand behind the Conservatives here
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raveydavey
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| wewantourdarbyback wrote: |
and was sad to see that the BNP were only a couple of thousand behind the Conservatives here |
It's peoples right to vote for whoever they like. Thats the basic idea of democracy.
Although it could be said that if the "mainstream" parties actually listened to the electorate, there would be very few people voting for such parties.
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wewantourdarbyback
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| raveydavey wrote: | | wewantourdarbyback wrote: |
and was sad to see that the BNP were only a couple of thousand behind the Conservatives here |
It's peoples right to vote for whoever they like. Thats the basic idea of democracy.
Although it could be said that if the "mainstream" parties actually listened to the electorate, there would be very few people voting for such parties. |
I never said there was anything wrong with people being able to vote for whoever they like... Its just sad that there has become such apathy for the big parties that people are looking to the more extreme parties for a voice
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raveydavey
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| wewantourdarbyback wrote: | | raveydavey wrote: | | wewantourdarbyback wrote: |
and was sad to see that the BNP were only a couple of thousand behind the Conservatives here |
It's peoples right to vote for whoever they like. Thats the basic idea of democracy.
Although it could be said that if the "mainstream" parties actually listened to the electorate, there would be very few people voting for such parties. |
I never said there was anything wrong with people being able to vote for whoever they like... Its just sad that there has become such apathy for the big parties that people are looking to the more extreme parties for a voice |
Indeed. Where I live has been a Labour ward for as long as I can recall.
This year we received two leaflets. A glossy one from the Labour candidate and a smaller one from the BNP candidate.
The Conservatives and the Liberals clearly didn't bother even attempting to get their message across.
The incumbent Labour councillor crept home with a majority of just over 100 votes over the Tory candidate. That is the smallest majority I have ever seen in this ward.
Given that Leeds council is currently run by a coalition with no one party having overall control, it seems that for the want of a little bit of effort, the Conservatives have lost what could have been a very winnable seat.
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halfaperson
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Utterly laughable (if it werent so seriouse  ) when a bloke who has been at the forefront of the cabinet for 11 years in power can only say he can learn from it. When the BNP can take votes and seats from the Labour party its got beyond any lesson learning.
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Tanhilltimmy
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| raveydavey wrote: | | wewantourdarbyback wrote: | | raveydavey wrote: | | wewantourdarbyback wrote: |
and was sad to see that the BNP were only a couple of thousand behind the Conservatives here |
It's peoples right to vote for whoever they like. Thats the basic idea of democracy.
Although it could be said that if the "mainstream" parties actually listened to the electorate, there would be very few people voting for such parties. |
I never said there was anything wrong with people being able to vote for whoever they like... Its just sad that there has become such apathy for the big parties that people are looking to the more extreme parties for a voice |
Indeed. Where I live has been a Labour ward for as long as I can recall.
This year we received two leaflets. A glossy one from the Labour candidate and a smaller one from the BNP candidate.
The Conservatives and the Liberals clearly didn't bother even attempting to get their message across.
The incumbent Labour councillor crept home with a majority of just over 100 votes over the Tory candidate. That is the smallest majority I have ever seen in this ward.
Given that Leeds council is currently run by a coalition with no one party having overall control, it seems that for the want of a little bit of effort, the Conservatives have lost what could have been a very winnable seat. |
That will be Crossgates + Whinmoor then (says a bloke who lives in Surrey!!).
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wewantourdarbyback
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Kirkstell Burley is labour but we got leaflets from the three main parties and not the BNP, who where the only other option on the ballot
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raveydavey
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| Tanhilltimmy wrote: | | raveydavey wrote: | | wewantourdarbyback wrote: | | raveydavey wrote: | | wewantourdarbyback wrote: |
and was sad to see that the BNP were only a couple of thousand behind the Conservatives here |
It's peoples right to vote for whoever they like. Thats the basic idea of democracy.
Although it could be said that if the "mainstream" parties actually listened to the electorate, there would be very few people voting for such parties. |
I never said there was anything wrong with people being able to vote for whoever they like... Its just sad that there has become such apathy for the big parties that people are looking to the more extreme parties for a voice |
Indeed. Where I live has been a Labour ward for as long as I can recall.
This year we received two leaflets. A glossy one from the Labour candidate and a smaller one from the BNP candidate.
The Conservatives and the Liberals clearly didn't bother even attempting to get their message across.
The incumbent Labour councillor crept home with a majority of just over 100 votes over the Tory candidate. That is the smallest majority I have ever seen in this ward.
Given that Leeds council is currently run by a coalition with no one party having overall control, it seems that for the want of a little bit of effort, the Conservatives have lost what could have been a very winnable seat. |
That will be Crossgates + Whinmoor then (says a bloke who lives in Surrey!!). |
Indeed - I'm impressed with your grasp of local politics, especially from that distance 
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ArmleyWhite
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| raveydavey wrote: | | wewantourdarbyback wrote: |
and was sad to see that the BNP were only a couple of thousand behind the Conservatives here |
It's peoples right to vote for whoever they like. Thats the basic idea of democracy.
Although it could be said that if the "mainstream" parties actually listened to the electorate, there would be very few people voting for such parties. |
That was probably also said in Germany in the early 30's about the National Socialist party.
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wewantourdarbyback
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| ArmleyWhite wrote: | | raveydavey wrote: | | wewantourdarbyback wrote: |
and was sad to see that the BNP were only a couple of thousand behind the Conservatives here |
It's peoples right to vote for whoever they like. Thats the basic idea of democracy.
Although it could be said that if the "mainstream" parties actually listened to the electorate, there would be very few people voting for such parties. |
That was probably also said in Germany in the early 30's about the National Socialist party. |
Actually the reasoning behind the voting for said party were far more extreme than have developed here. Germans were in a state of Hyper inflation and national crisis with a far weaker government that even we think we have. They quite rightly blamed the Versailles agreement which f*cked them completely and caused their problems, therefore they turned to someone who offered an alternative, and at the time the only alternative, and some sense of national pride. Most did not see the evil that was at the route of the party they saw as the answer or were easily swept up by the rhetoric and the fact that despite his evils Hitler was one of the best public speakers the world has known. There was nothing right about that choice or the party but under such extreme circumstances it is easy to be mislead. In this case some people see it as an extreme circumstance but they are the ones who would hold the racist beliefs that are presented by such parties even before being presented by them.
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NE1
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hindsight is a marvellous thing ain't it?
Are you reading history & politics at Uni?
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raveydavey
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| NE1 wrote: | hindsight is a marvellous thing ain't it?
Are you reading history & politics at Uni? |
I thought he was studying Modern Dance? 
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30 Mill
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| NE1 wrote: | hindsight is a marvellous thing ain't it?
Are you reading history & politics at Uni? |
To be fair, AT THE TIME, something like over 50% of the British population thought Hitler was a good idea ...initially
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wewantourdarbyback
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| raveydavey wrote: | | NE1 wrote: | hindsight is a marvellous thing ain't it?
Are you reading history & politics at Uni? |
I thought he was studying Modern Dance? |
Automotive Engineering
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ArmleyWhite
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Obviously the situations are very different. one being a way of gaining retribution for the humiliation of the defeat and subsequant cuckolding of thier nation. However, are they that different. Yes the Nazi being very extreme, but look at how the BNP are pedaling thier manifesto. Immigration out of control, PC beliefs being got rid of etc.
Do you know what those idiots in the BNP actually claim that non british people are repatriated along with their heirs etc. That means my 2 grandkids will be sent packing. Tell you what, I'd die rather than some prick try that. Iv'e had my arse shot at before (and I thank god they were shit shots), but i'd do it all over again to stop those wankers and their followers from carrying out their disgusting manifesto!! Fuck the BNP!!!!!! Regardless of who through Hitler was a good egg over 50 years ago. Have we not learnt anything??????
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wewantourdarbyback
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We have learnt, it is the main reason you see that these parties can only get a small support even though it seems to big (which it is) Hitler was able to surge to power in a confoundingly short amount of time. The BNP have no manifesto, well they do I've read it, its a joke, and have thus built little support because there are no real policies that will help people in their lives in front of the racism. I agree with you that i would happily fight so that this scum does not get control of this country, but until they put rhetoric that will appeal to the people outside their core fanbase they will not get a foothold in this country.
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30 Mill
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It would help the arguement once and for all if the "mainstream" pollies werent complete w@nkers, and actually tried to govern the country instead of pandering to vocal minorities
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cardboardbox?Youwerelucky
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| 30 Mill wrote: | | It would help the arguement once and for all if the "mainstream" pollies werent complete w@nkers, and actually tried to govern the country instead of pandering to vocal minorities |
^^^^A BIG FUCKING SECONDED^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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