Baldy
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The 15 Point Deduction HearingYou know, thinking about them 15 points (I do think sometimes), and I may be completely wrong in my thinking, I cant honestly see how they could give us only a portion of them back, it's either all or nothing, Isn't this about, if the Football League imposed a sanction upon us, that they did'nt have the right to do so, and did so improperly. If they are found out, that they acted inappropriately, then it has to be all 15 back, if they find they acted appropriately, then we get nowt, I cant see that there is any case for a return of a partial amount of points, as this would make a mockery of the whole thing..and that it's a case of making up the rules on the run..
PS, I was gonna add this to another thread, but as I put a lot of though into it, im making it seperate 
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weasel
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I think that the some points back scenario would be if the Arbitration decided that yes we had breached the rules but that the punishment was deemed too harsh.
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NE1
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I'm with Baldy on this. We either get all or nothing.
It wasn't in the FL rules that for our misdemeanour, ie, not exiting admin with a CVA, that you will be deducted 15 points. Exiting admin without a CVA is a 'preferred option' it is NOT a rule. Now all this may change in future but they can't come up with some punishment and then back date it! Its either a rule at the time or not, hence we/they either did not did not.
Now if it wasn't a rule, we didn't break one.......as there was no points deduction in the rules they shouldn't have done it. Simple.
we get our 15 points back 
( and we go up as champions )
PS. there is little part of me that wants to not get points back at all, win playoffs and go up anyway, cos that would truly be two fingers to the football league  
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cardboardbox?Youwerelucky
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Sorry for my ignorance but wasn't this all about getting our golden share back in the process - i.e. we had to agree to "something" in order to exist as a football club in the league - maybe they will give us our 15 points back and then take away our "golden share" in which case we won't have a league to play in
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HarryofOz
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I'm with Weasel. Why can't the arbitration panel decide that we breached the rules and the FL had the right to sanction us but because there is no stipulated penalty and maybe mitigating circumstances that the punishment did not fit the crime.
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30 Mill
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The basic arguement is that we had a gun held to our head
If we didnt do what we did, the club would have bankrupted itself doing what the FL wanted
Leeds will show that to survive as an entity it A. heeded all the directions for a CVA which was passed, but when challenged this put everything into hiatus so Leeds couldnt function as a club and would have had to fold
There is some "point of law" which "allows" you do to things illegally or against the rules to protect yourself from danger. Leeds will endeavour to show this is the case
And yes, it has to be an all or nowt decision. I firmly believe we will get all 15 back
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weasel
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| NE1 wrote: |
Now if it wasn't a rule, we didn't break one.......as there was no points deduction in the rules they shouldn't have done it. Simple.
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I think the farce with all clubs being allowed to vote on the punishmnet was the league's attempt to turn it into a rule.
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Cockney White
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| weasel wrote: | | NE1 wrote: |
Now if it wasn't a rule, we didn't break one.......as there was no points deduction in the rules they shouldn't have done it. Simple.
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I think the farce with all clubs being allowed to vote on the punishmnet was the league's attempt to turn it into a rule |
That could also be the very thing that gets us the points back in view of the fact that there was a blatant conflict of interest by asking our peers to vote on whether or no we should be hit with a -15 point penalty.
Can you imagine Coca-Cola being asked whether Pepsi should be fined for some misdemeanour or other? Or Ford being asked to decide on a punishment for GM? The whole thing stinks and, if there really is any justice, we'll get all the points back.
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raveydavey
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| Cockney White wrote: | | weasel wrote: | | NE1 wrote: |
Now if it wasn't a rule, we didn't break one.......as there was no points deduction in the rules they shouldn't have done it. Simple.
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I think the farce with all clubs being allowed to vote on the punishmnet was the league's attempt to turn it into a rule |
That could also be the very thing that gets us the points back in view of the fact that there was a blatant conflict of interest by asking our peers to vote on whether or no we should be hit with a -15 point penalty.
Can you imagine Coca-Cola being asked whether Pepsi should be fined for some misdemeanour or other? Or Ford being asked to decide on a punishment for GM? The whole thing stinks and, if there really is any justice, we'll get all the points back. |
Or Ferrari being asked if McLaren should be fined...oh, hang on... 
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wewantourdarbyback
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thats entirely different.... Max Moisley given his fondness for Nazi's likes the red on the ferrari as it reminds him of the armbands he gets prostitutes to dress up in
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