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| cardboardbox?Youwerelucky |
Should the alarm bells start yet??Leeds 0-1 Hereford
Wasn't fussed about the JPT but going out of the FA Cup is not good news 
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| HarryofOz |
That was absolute rubbish. | ||||||||
| Gopher |
Blame Basset. What is he doing at the club ffs?? antiquated training methods and hoofing it are not good news. Fuck off Basset.
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| Baldy |
Does seem to have gone downhill since he came, also listening on radio 12000 miles away dont give much indication, but it sounds as though the intensity has dropped a level, prior to Gus leaving commentators always seemed on edge, as there was always summat happening, Recently the games sound rather dull.... | ||||||||
| nlag |
The FA Cup matters. A win tonight, and a win against Hartlepool, could have seen a lucrative draw in the 3rd round. There is no way Wise would have gone into the game tonight not wanting to win it.
So now there are no excuses...League is the only focus. |
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| HarryofOz |
All games matter. | ||||||||
| andywatson |
Just posted the following on another forum.........
OK, its not time to start panicking Mr Mannering, but it is time to take a hard look at some facts. During November we have played 6 games. We have won only 2, and lost 3. Now depending on your perspective you could argue 2 of the 3 games we lost were cup games, and so less important; but you could also easily argue 3 of the 6 game we have played have been against lower league opposition. And lets be honest, there aren't many divisions below us. How can you make an argument that we will piss this league when we play 3 games against teams a division below us and fail to win a single one. I'm sorry, but that just isn't good enough. I don't subscribe to the theory that the cups would have proved a distraction. The JPT would have added 2 (or is it 3) more games. Perhaps the 3rd round would have been a reasonable expectation- or 2 more games. Thats maybe 5 games over the rest of the season. I would lay money that our squad is bigger than any other in our division or the one below. How the Hell will Bury & Hereford cope? I bet they do. What is more worrying is that this slump has coincided with Poyets departure. I said at the time I thought he would prove to be a loss to us. So far this is proving to be the case. It's too soon to put this down as the turning point in our season, of course, but lets remember that in the 11 games previously we won 9 from 11- drawing the other 2. Relatively speaking thats a massive turn around. Let's be honest, if we started the season with Novembers form, and then hit September and Octobers we would be optimistic at the progress. Surely we have to be concerned at the reverse. Lets just hope the games against Cheltenham and Port Vale prove a good opportunity to kick off another great run of form and secure the league, but I really do think we have missed an opportunity to win the JPT- after all it's been a long time since we could celebrate actually winning something. If they don't we really do need to start asking some questions. |
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| weasel |
The club has always been one that has struggled against lower league opposition in the cups. As long as we bounce back in the league no harm done. | ||||||||
| HarryofOz |
I was thinking along the same lines Andy. Our form in the last six or so games has been worrying. | ||||||||
| weasel |
3 wins out of 4 in the league since Poyet got linked with Spurs.
Beating Millwall 4-2 in a dominant performance ruined by dodgy last 20 minutes. Loss to Carlise after battering them in the first half and having the chances to wrap the game up. Bouncing back with a comfortable 3-1 win at Bournemouth in a very hostile atmosphere. Beating Swindon 2-1, a side fired up by playing against ex manager. So what if we are out of all the cups. The paint one was the only one we could have realistically won. As long as we keep getting the results in the important matches (which we did by winning the games in and around the cup ones) then everything is fine. Sure we might like more style and swagger but the points are all that matters. Who cares if we can't beat div 2 sides, we are in div 1 and so far we have beaten most of those that we have played. |
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| HarryofOz |
I'm trying to work out a way to debate those points but they are so illogical its beyond me. | ||||||||
| wewantourdarbyback |
FFS... didnt we beat Swindon at the weekend in the league? | ||||||||
| weasel |
Illogical points or correct facts. Whichever way you look at it we are still doing the important stuff and winning the league matches. Okay since Gus left we lost the Carlisle game but a defeat was bound to happen sometime. Since then we have had 2 wins out of 2.
I think people put too much emphasis on the Gus effect. The team played poorly and got results with Gus and have done so without Gus. Yes if league results start to go bad then we need to worry but after the start we made, with several fortunate wins, we were bound to have a slump. It isn't like we have a super team playing in a weak division. We have a reasonable team for the division we are in. |
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| HarryofOz |
Illogical because you only choose to rely on facts that support your point of view. You can't just ignore the cup defeats as if they didn't happen. And writing them off because they happened against lower division clubs is non-sensical. If we'd lost to Premiership clubs fair enough...but to clubs who are supposedly weaker than us. | ||||||||
| weasel |
I ignore the cup defeats cos they don't matter in the long term scale of things. The only good thing to come out of the cup matches is that Constantine scored and several players have shown whether they are good enough or not to get in the first team. We have gone out of the FA Cup in our first round for the last 5 years. We have lost to lots of lower league sides in recent memory. I'd have liked us to have won the cup games but given a win in the cup or a win in the league then it has to be the league and at the moment we are still getting results. Hopefully the cup results will stop players from believing in their own hype and will be a blessing rather than a curse. |
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| Cockney White |
I wonder how Cardiff fans would have reacted had we beaten them in the League Cup? As a lower division side they would have expected to beat us and, perhaps, have a decent run in the competition.
The league is paramount and, yes, we are doing very well, but the cups are a nice distraction and God knows we could have done with a nice run in either/both. The fact is, not only have we failed to beat lower divison opposition on three occasions this season, but have also managed to score only a solitary goal in the total 270 minutes against them. Whichever way you look at it, those statistics are simply unacceptable. |
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| wewantourdarbyback |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/f.../teams/l/leeds_united/7105463.stm | ||||||||
| Cockney White |
Same thing that cost us the game against Bury.. 
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| andywatson |
The thing that really annoys me about this isn't the FA cup, but the JPT. I know it's a micky Mouse cup, but when was the last time we Leeds fans had the opportunity to go to wembeley and actually win something?
Most Leeds fans will probably never have had that opportunity, and realistically when will we have the chance again? |
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| Cockney White |
Exactly the point I made here |
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| ArmleyWhite |
Err, next year? |
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| HarryofOz |
There is no reason why we should win in the league or the cup we can win in both. The only reasons you can justify ignoring the cup results is if we played a team in a league higher than us, fielded a seriously weakened team or lost on purpose/didn't try and win. As for not mattering in the long term what if our run of results; 2 wins, 1 draw, 3 losses is an indicator of the form we will have from now till the end of the season? It may not be, but what if it is. |
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| HarryofOz |
Hopefully we won't be in the JPT next year. |
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| weasel |
I am only concerned with the run of results which shows 3 wins out of the last 4 in the league. We had different personnel in for the cup, okay maybe not many changes but as a centre back I know how much difference simply 1 change at the back makes, Wise made 2 changes (Parker and Huntingdon). Judge long term results over a larger period than simply the last 6 games in all competition because any team can have a blip that makes bad reading if taken over a short period but as the 3 out of 4 wins in the league shows even in this bad run we are getting points. |
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| ArmleyWhite |
Hopefully not H. Still, the FA cup and the carling trophy will be up for grabs!! |
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| HarryofOz |
Not by us unfortunately 
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| BillH |
There's no doubt about it - getting knocked out was a bad result and there are no real positives about it.
Am I suddenly worried? No, because I've said all season we have several weaknesses that need addressing. We were bound to get found out from time to time and it will happen in the league as well at some stage. Fortunately we have done a lot of the hard work already in nullifying the 15 point deficit, and now we have as good a chance at promotion as everyone else in the top eight or so. None of the teams are head and shoulders above the rest and as long as our strikers don't hit a long goal drought we'll be in there at the death. Retaining the team's confidence is the biggie, and this is where Wise will be tested. |
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| weasel |
The key for me is how well Constantine does. If he gets amongst the goals I think we will be okay as Beckford looks like doing well and Kandol has scored a few as well. If we have 2 strikers on fire all season we should score enough to go up as we have a good enough defence and keeper to keep things tight at the back (despite some recent poor shows). | ||||||||
| halfaperson |
Maybe the alarm bells aren’t ringing but the smoke alarm is getting twitchy. We’ve had a phenomenal start and one that we couldn’t have reasonably expected. It has put us in contention of promotion but from now on it’s going to get even tougher. All teams have by now raised their intensity. They now know if they are in with a shout of promotion or in a relegation scrap. We have added pressure now aside from been the big club everyone wants to beat. Our fantastic start as put us on a pedestal for knocking off. We have about twenty odd cup finals left to play
With that in mind. I personally don’t give rats about the cups and I think they would be an unnecessary diversion. (Truth is as a Leeds fan ive come to accept under achieving in domestic cups anyhow but that’s another story). I think they would divert resources and focus away from numero uno challenge of promotion. That challenge is going to require every bitof resource we have. I can’t help thinking the players and managers think the same as well and that was reflected in the cup performances. |
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| andywatson |
I did use the word realistically!!! Put your hand up (God you can tell I'm a teacher) if you have been to wemberley and seen Leeds win something. This was probably our best chance in at least the next 10 years for us to be able to do just that, and we blew it. |
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| cardboardbox?Youwerelucky |
How can you tell who puts their hand up 
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| HarryofOz |
Can I be a smart-arse pedant of a student.
I have been to Wembley and I have seen Leeds win something...though not at the same time 
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| BillH |
There's always the play-offs... 
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| HarryofOz |
Ow
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| NE1 |
Can I start getting worried yet?? | ||||||||
| nlag |
 Me sir
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| Hair |
If we continue to fail to take our chances, then yes, yes you can...and what's more, I will join you. How can we have so much of the ball against let's face it, the worst team in the division and still lose?
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| wewantourdarbyback |
Both my teams lost to the worst team in the division this weekend... you could blame me... (dont though) but i'm not worried about relegation in either case, and In Leeds case i'm not worried about not going up yet |
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| Hair |
Oh come on, you have to admit that all is not quite right at ER. I don't know whether this is the Basset influence or not, but ever since Mr Poyet left, we've been found wanting in many departments. |
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| weasel |
It would appear that Div 2 no hopers Hereford are perhaps not as bad as people made out on here. So taking the fact they are not too bad a side our other recent losses were to Bury who we completely outplayed despite having 10 men for most of the match, Cheltenham who we likewise outplayed for most of the match and a Carlisle side that are quite high up in our division and whom we outplayed in the first half. | ||||||||
| HarryofOz |
Including the loss to Hereford, Hartlepool have lost 5 and drawn 1 of their last 6 matches so I'm not taking much comfort from that. The only thing you could say is that the Hartlepool fans really have something to worry about if they were hoping their team would get promoted. |
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| nlag |
To be honest, if we don't get promoted, I wont be remembering the sides we outplayed. I will be looking at the names in our squad, and thinking how on earth anyone managed to fail from where we find ourselves now. | ||||||||
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| weasel |
We haven't got a team of superstars. We have had to loan a left back, we have Rui Marques who couldn't get a game for nearly 2 years, Heath that no one seems to rate, Douglas who according to some is the worst player ever, Kandol who everyboddy thought was awful last season and at the start of this and Constantine & Beckford who have only scored at this level or lower. To compliment them we have a bunch of old crocks. This bunch of players deserves credit for over achieving earlier on in the season and perhaps now they are levelling out a bit. However the results now are not reflectin on the fact that we may well be playing better than when we were winning every game including against the apparently mediocre Hartlepool that by all accounts played us off the park. |
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| nlag |
Sounds like you are making excuses already  I expect Wise to deliver. 
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| weasel |
And now no doubt peace and quiet will reign for a few days as we have won 3-0. Yet the performance saw us have less shots than we had against Cheltenham and also saw the opposition have more shots than Cheltenham did. No doubt Poyet spoke to the lads by video link prior to the match. | ||||||||
| nlag |
Don't bet on it From what I heard we nearly blew it first half.....Again.....I will give Flo no more than 2 back to back games.....Kandol was awful by the sounds too.
Still, a scrappy home win against fodder is better than a scrappy away defeat against fodder 
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| weasel |
I think Flo's role is to do exactly what he did today, come on with 20 minutes left to secure the points. I doubt he will start many matches especially when Constantine is fit. I imagine it will be 2 from Constantine, Beckford and Kandol and then Flo to play 20 minutes each game (and hopefully bag a few goals).
I think the key to Leeds is not to play too well!!! Anyone think Westlake is any good? I know people slate Douglas, harshly in my opinion, but Westlake to me just doesn't seem good enough for us considering the options we have. |
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| nlag |
With you on that one. Would play Derry imstead  .....Just joking....A win is a win....On an Up
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| weasel |
Reasonable set of results elsewhere with 2 of the sides above us losing and the teams in 6th and 7th drawing against each other. Be nice to put some distance between us and the sides below and keep sneaking up. | ||||||||
| wewantourdarbyback |
Hey look at that we won | ||||||||
| HarryofOz |
As Weasel says, good sets of results for us. Can't expect all our opposition rivals to lose. But apart from Carlisle and Swansea they all dropped points. |