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| NE1 |
-15 V L2someone somewhere must have known about the L2 option and not a single person said it. No-one at Leeds, no-one at the FL and more unbelievably no-one in the press.Was it true? Having been relegated already (luton) it will be interesting to see if they get a 15 point deduction next season. Being in L2 will Rotherham automatically get a 15 point deduction and what is the point of Bournemouth trying to avoid relagation today as that would be better than a 15 point deduction next season. Ho, Ho I think I have just found another loophole. |
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| Benlufc |
their are loopholes everywhere because the just thing wasnt done | ||||||||||
| wewantourdarbyback |
None of them have come out of admin yet though have they?
they deduction or relegation will come after they come out without a CVA in place |
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| raveydavey |
As the season is now over for the teams in question and the 10 points for going into admin have already been deducted, it would seem to me that the 15 points will be deducted when they leave administration without the CVA in place - presumably imposed at the start of the 2008/09 season then. |
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| Baldy |
No one likes a smart ass Ben  
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| NE1 |
in the cold light of day, there is another way of looking at this.
KB asked for exceptional circumstances and he got them. The FL giving us -15pts instead of L2 status. The chairmans all voted for it, albeit altruistically, believing that a) Leeds would never be able to turn it around b) should they ever be in the situation that Leeds were, in -15 was better than L2 (esp from CCC) So they actually did us a favour and KB used it by not telling the whole truth, but then the FL didn't either and thats where they went wrong. Can't believe that no-one actually pointed out that the -15pts were instead of L2 status! If it had been we would all have hated KB (more than we already do in some cases) and not the FL and gawd knows where we would be. Instead leeds used it as an us against the world and here we are in the playoffs, thinking we are lucky b@stards and there's only one way to go. Come on Leeds. |
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| 30 Mill |
I have no problem with what was said or not said
Your choice - League 2 or minus 15!!! I know what Id have taken |
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| wewantourdarbyback |
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| Tommo |
Exactly!!!! But we weren't told this, we were told they took our 15pts cos we didn't have a CVA in place. 
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| NE1 |
did I hear a penny dropping? 
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| 30 Mill |
Rubbish! Of course there should have been an appeal. Why? Two simple reasons 1. There was and still is NO statute in the FL rules to allow a decision to relegate a team 2 divisions, or more precisely, to be offered the "Golden share" in return for voluntarily dropping a division 2. Common law states that you can NOT blackmail anyone with two different penalties. Eg. A judge can not say to a defendant you either take the massive fine or I bin your arse. The reason being is that by having someone choose, "implies" they are accepting guilt I would have appealed on Point 2 alone |
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| raveydavey |
You've never had a speeding fine or a parking ticket over here have you? If you accept your "guilt" the punishment dished out is less severe than if you unsuccesfully challenge the allegation: 1. Get a parking ticket and it's £40. Pay within 14 days and the cost is halved to £20. Appeal against the ticket unsuccessfully and you have to pay the full £40, regardless. 2. Get caught speeding (either by traffic cop, or roadside camera) and it's a "Fixed Penalty Notice" with a £60 fine and 3 points on your licence (12 points in 3 years - I think - and you're banned from driving). Decide to go to court and unless you're a Premiership footballer you will be found guilty (your word versus plod / plod machinery) and it's a minimum fine of £60, plus court costs for both sides, plus between 3 and 6 points on your licence depending on the opinion the magistrate forms of you as you stand in the dock. Just two examples in English law where having the temerity to appeal a decision will leave you in a worse position than accepting it. |
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| Benlufc |
i think it needs to be understood that some people will blame bates for global warming on here. and yes that is directed at my mother aswell 
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| 30 Mill |
Yes mate lol - even some of the folks on here and other boards I respect greatly think Stalin would have made a better chairman
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| Cockney White |
At least Stalin had more money!
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| Gopher |
And had better morals.
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| cardboardbox?Youwerelucky |
And didn't look like Colonel Sanders (at least I don't think he did  )
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| HarryofOz |
Keep telling yourself that if that's what it takes to make you feel he's acted in Leeds' interest |
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| HarryofOz |
1. The independent panel must have been lying then when they said the FL had the right to do what they did and DID have the power the make Leeds play in League 2 2. Common law does not prevent me from walking through the streets with a ball in my hand but I can't do it on the football field - the regulations of the game stop me from doing that. It's got nothing to do with common law. In the legal system people plead guilty for a lesser punishment all the time. The INDEPENDENT panel found FOR the football league and AGAINST Bates on all accounts. Face facts the FL were in the right and Bates was totally in the wrong. How anyone can think that a man who couldn't even be bothered to provide the information. documentation and notifications - both before the season and on this occasion - is acting in Leeds' interests beggars belief. |
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| Tanhilltimmy |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/footbal...ppeal?gusrc=rss&feed=football
Even 30m will see that this article settles things, Harry spot on 30m as usual off the radar!! |
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| raveydavey |
But Stalin was a Red and that would never do! 
  
Think about it - you've never seen the three of them in the same room have you?
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| 30 Mill |
2 different things entirely Harry, entirely different mate |
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| 30 Mill |
Do you read past the headlines and cartoons? Correct that leeds lost the appeal because they signed a document saying they wouldnt appeal - anyone with half a brain knew that already without having to use the Gruniard as "reference" source. As we discussed earlier in the topic, if I had been put in the same position I would have done the same thing myself Example - I hold a gun to your head (either League 2 or voluntary 15 points reduction) and then I make you sign a paper saying everythings in order, WHAT WOULD YOU DO, when they took the gun away??? Are you a "pants down, ankle grabber"?? or have the courage of your convictions to see it thru to the end?? Me, again, I would have appealed exactly has Bates has done And for Harry - dont confuse Bates efforts. Noone is saying he is doing this solely for the love of Leeds - Of course he has to look after his investments / interests. As Ben said, folks on here will blame Bates for everything. BY FAR THE WORSE was Ridsdale and co - followed closely by Prof Plum!! Even blind Tanhilltimmy might be able to see that |
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| Tanhilltimmy |
Folks on here (and elsewhere) are entitled to blame Bates for everything since Bates came along, for the mysterious £20m of debt added on last season, for the lies about how close we were getting to being solvant, for the clear attempt to rip off the small creditors (1p in the pound), for the clear rigged use of KPMG, for the rigging of the CVA vote by placing his companies on the creditors list, for the pathetic attempt to claim he would close the club down if he didn't win the bid, for the lies told about the deal done with the FL, for the lack of openness as to really owns the club, for the wasted 9 months of trying to overturn what he knew was a lower penalty than we could have got, for the spending of £4m in legal fees in his prepostious con and for bringing this club in to more disripute that Ridsdale Mckensie and Krasner could do put together. Often when I hear/read people support Bates what always strikes me is how when pressed they can't name one clear thing he has done to give this club back its pride, its decency, its long term future (and anyone who says he has needs to produce evidence not avaialble anywhere else). Being lectured by a man living in Oz about football, business and decency is like being called blind, can live with that when it comes from the mouth of a fool. |
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| 30 Mill |
Wise
Poyet Macallister There 3 things Bates did - Remind me what the last 3 Chairman did?? Another 2 ??? 1. Ok - Keeping the club ALIVE - explain to me again exactly what the other options were again? Oh thats right - INSOLVENCEY 2. Putting a fighting spirit in Leeds. The last 3-4 years had sucked the heart and soul out of Leeds, the club and the players - This year he gave them something to fight for ( great big chip on their shoulder as a club) - and they fought for the club too Another one to finish off? Supplied more funding for players / transfers than any other team in this league, and in all honesty probably provided more funds for players than Prof Plum and Geweld combined So theres the evidence you seek Now for gods sake go and get laid - if ever there was someone who needed to its you mate |
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| Gopher |
Thats a bit harsh Pete, He`s not blind, he just has short arms and very long pockets at the bar. 
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| Tanhilltimmy |
Pathetic, childlike playground retorts, intellectual backward, blinkered idiocy and why, for no other reason than that's all you can do. No understanding of football, business, fans, integrity and not an smiggin of understanding about our history, coz if you did you'd note we are in L1 (funny it could have been L2) for the first time in our history, having had a major points deduction and have been in administration (or technically liquidation), all within the last 3 years ....Well done Ken, you got a fan in 30m, wonder if he's named after how much fake debt shoved on the club by Bates!! Oh, heres another little snippit of our great leader acuman...http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/05/08/sfnlee108.xml Can we continue this on squareball? i wish to come down to your level... |
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| 30 Mill |
Not that Im bothered too much Timmmmmmaaaayyyyy, but Ive no idea which bloody SQ Ball to use these days |