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Tanhilltimmy
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 Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:16 am Post subject: You know sometimes you read something that you don't believe |
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like this:
Leeds have been kicked out of the FA for not paying their debts. (The Sun) |
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HarryofOz
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| But if its in the Sun it must be true
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HarryofOz
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| Lets just start our comp, lets just start our own comp na na na na na na na na na na.
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Tanhilltimmy
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: |
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LEEDS have been kicked out of the FA after failing to pay debts.
The League One side broke rules aimed at making sure rival teams are paid any money owed.
FA regulations state clubs coming out of administration must repay in full any other clubs and players.
As a result Leeds will not be able to vote at the FA AGM and will lose all ticket privileges for the FA Cup.
However, they can carry on playing in all competitions and will regain their status when they abide by the rules.
Leeds were docked 15 points by the Football League for breaking rules on administration. |
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HarryofOz
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| You mean it really is true...damn my sarcastic post.
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andywatson
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BillH
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: |
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I take my initial comment back. The club statement would appear to address the article:
| Quote: | Further to a report in The Sun newspaper on Friday morning which claimed we have been "kicked out of the FA" the club has issued the following statement...
The club has made an application to the Football Association to transfer full membership following administration.
The Football Association have not yet approved this request as we have been unable to demonstrate that all NON FOOTBALL CREDITORS have been satisfied.
All monies owed to other Football Clubs and members of the football family have been met in full. The reason that non-football creditors have not been satisfied is that the CVA was not completed due to the stance of the HMRC.
The club is still able to play football in all competitions, including the FA Cup, but until the membership is transferred we will be unable to vote at any general meetings of the FA or receive FA Cup final tickets that are made available to member clubs.
The club would prefer to be a full member of the FA, but it is also comfortable that not being a member will not prevent us from doing anything we need to do. |
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HarryofOz
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| BillH wrote: | I take my initial comment back. The club statement would appear to address the article:
| Quote: | Further to a report in The Sun newspaper on Friday morning which claimed we have been "kicked out of the FA" the club has issued the following statement...
The club has made an application to the Football Association to transfer full membership following administration.
The Football Association have not yet approved this request as we have been unable to demonstrate that all NON FOOTBALL CREDITORS have been satisfied.
All monies owed to other Football Clubs and members of the football family have been met in full. The reason that non-football creditors have not been satisfied is that the CVA was not completed due to the stance of the HMRC.
The club is still able to play football in all competitions, including the FA Cup, but until the membership is transferred we will be unable to vote at any general meetings of the FA or receive FA Cup final tickets that are made available to member clubs.
The club would prefer to be a full member of the FA, but it is also comfortable that not being a member will not prevent us from doing anything we need to do. |
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Does this mean that we will never pay the debts and will remain a non-full member forever?
Is there no intention to settle those debts and get our status back?
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BillH
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| HarryofOz wrote: | Does this mean that we will never pay the debts and will remain a non-full member forever?
Is there no intention to settle those debts and get our status back? |
Harry, according to the club it isn't about debts. It's about the process through which the club was acquired from the administrators not being done with creditor approval, so it is impossible to demonstrate that any of them were satisfied.
In effect it means that unless the FA relent and make an exception or change their rules the club will never be a member of the FA again, in theory. The process is done and dusted from the club's point of view and any rules that were broken will remain broken. Even if he wanted to, there's nothing Bates can do now to fix it.
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HarryofOz
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| Cheers Bill.
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andywatson
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Tanhilltimmy
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: |
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FL
FA
HMRC
KPMG
just how many organisations with acranims can Bates blame...  |
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BillH
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| I should add that it isn't entirely clear what the problem is. If it's the lack of a CVA then it's just another consequence of Bates' little summer scam, but if the club cannot prove that they paid the administrators the money they bid to buy the club then the whole thing is a lot more serious. The O/S suggests it might be the former by blaming the HMRC, but the news reports aren't as obvious.
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Tanhilltimmy
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BillH
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| They're all regurgitating the same story they got off the press agency. It doesn't help clear anything up though: is it money owed before administration that is being demanded (which the reference to the money owed to HMRC would suggest, but which is surely done with as part of the admin process) or is it money owed to the creditors as part of the admin buyout that hasn't been paid, which is another matter altogether.
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Cockney White
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BillH
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Baldy
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| If we are no longer members of the FA, could this mean that it is there way out of ruling on our 15 point appeal, thus avoiding them confronting the Football League ?
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BillH
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| Baldy wrote: | | If we are no longer members of the FA, could this mean that it is there way out of ruling on our 15 point appeal, thus avoiding them confronting the Football League ? |
I doubt it. The FL competition is still held under the FA overall jurisdiction.
I can't see it winning too many to our side of the argument though, whichever way you look at it. It could explain why the club have been so vague about the whole "appeal to the FA" business.
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Baldy
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