So has anyone changed their mind over anything?

halfaperson · Allan Clarke Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Posts: 751

Early days yet i know but anyone done some re thinking.

Personally Wise has got the players fit and stronger than they have been for a long time. His substitutions have been great and hes instilled a fantastic spirit. Good on him.

Tresor Kandol has won me over. Hes going to be key for us this year.

Thommo i think is going to be a perfect captain and has come to battle not just see out a contract. Thumbs up to him.

The Stewarding at the matches has been ok, no problem.

Bates is still one detestable individual though and i do not want him at our club any longer than is neccessary

Any one else reconsidering earlier views?

ArmleyWhite · Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:59 am Post subject:

My view of LUFC since the change a couple of years ago is still the same. Hate Bates but untill anyone with bolox and money comes in, he IS the only one to hold the directorship, imho!! Wise, inherrited a shit squad and a bunch of Loanee's last year, could do nothing with them. I said all along that in the closed season he would reshape and remould the team to his way! He appears to have done that.

Nope, no change in my beliefs!!

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cardboardbox?Youwerelucky · Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:24 am Post subject:

Too early to get carried away for me

Still detest Bates (and I can't ever see that changing) - he probably detest me in the same way Rolling Eyes

Wise certainly has a fitter squad - and I applaud him for keeping the trialists interested despite being unable to offer them contacts - Flo was to much of a gamble and disappointed with the injury to constantine - Kandol is scoring goals Shocked

and like every striker excels when confident - we haven't seen a confident Kandol yet and I am glad he has had the start he has achieved otherwise he would be dead & buried by now - also glad to see Wise keep Beckford - I think this was hugely important and unless something shocking happens today in the transfer window we now look to be keeping him - so again plaudits to Wise for that

Not sure how we have played - yet 3 wins out of 3 is fantastic - tranmere & forest I can only read the reports but we certainly weren't outclassing those teams and I think we mugged forest from what I have heard & read

As has been said before this "squad" should be a cut above most teams in this division and it was important to get off to a winning start - with confidence throughout the team and the 15 point deduction we are more UNITED than we ever have been over the last 4 years.

So my opinions haven't changed greatly - I have warmed more to Wise over the summer and I loved his "chopped my balls off" interview - but I think he has a long way to go yet (and I hope he gets there believe me) - the test for any manager is how you & your players respond when things get tough - when you are winning it is an easy job - lose 3 on the trot and see how things shape up (just hope we don't get to that stage this season)

Thompson is a class player - always has been - but I worry whether his legs will see him get throught the season - he looked like he was running through treacle when I saw him in the last home game of last season.

Hope wise can pull a couple more players in before midnight tonight

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My views still not a Bates fan but am warming to Wise, lets be honest here if he had been a Leeds player he would have been a Legend. He has the squad fired up and playing football for the full 90 minutes which has reaped benefits versus Southend and Forest.

Still not sure on Thompson, he is without doubt a quality player but he does tend to dwell on the ball too long at times and his temprament is a little suspect. Kandol has now found his "Peters Principle" and is becoming a fans favourite. Most improved player this season is Seb Carole who really has come on leaps and bounds so far.

All in all we have had a great start and hopefully long may it continue and lets hope Wise can become an all time Leeds United great.

HarryofOz · Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:29 am Post subject:

I have a bit more faith in Wise as we seem to be getting the basics right. Defending set pieces better and attacking them better too.

Still not happy with the signing of Flo and will wait to see about Thompson.

Bates was, is and always will be ankles.

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Hair · Nigel Martyn Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 495

I too have more faith in Wise. Then again, I was always going to give him time to build his own team before judgement. It's good to finally concentrate on the football, than on hatred of Bates and the administration fiasco of the summer.

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weasel · Nigel Martyn Joined: 29 May 2007 Posts: 386

I said a long time ago that this was the season when we could really judge Wise and Bates fairly.

Wise inherited a squad that wasn't good enough. A huge rot had set in and with the transfer window being shut when he took over the reins he was unable to stop the rot quickly enough. How good a manager he is/can be only time will tell but he does seem to have got the squad happy and fit.

Bates did what he knows best and has stabilised the club's finances. He has done it without the help of huge investment and as such the club is now in a healthier state to attract investment. The 15 point penalty is not his fault. He is running the club sensibly and when he does decide to sell the club will be in a much better state than when he took over.

Kandol suffered from being put in before he was ready. He should have been full of confidence after a good start with Barnet but with the team playing badly and not creating chances his confidence quickly dropped. All strikers look better when they play with confidence and hopefully Kandol is getting his back. Against Macclesfield his touch and finishing was abysmal and you could tell he had no confidence, his goal against Forest though should give him confidence. He could be a very good player at this level and possibly Championship. Seems to link well with Beckford.

Flo I am convinced will be a good signing for us. He showed his class against Southend and arguably his goal there, to keep the momentum going, could be invaluable. I feel he will be played as a 'supersub' which should see us get a decent amount of games out of him. When Constantine is fit we will have some very good options.

Thompson's goal are invaluable and his all round play and leadership is ideal in a team that needed real leadership. Quality signing and hope he stays fit.

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BillH · Allan Clarke Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 510

Short answer is "no". I am still unsure over Wise ability to answer tactical challenges or turn things round when his initial plans aren't working.

His transfer policy is good, he's managed to build some good team spirit and his focus on fitness is paying off. Time will tell whether the overall package will deliver.

30 Mill · Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:16 am Post subject:

Whilst its too early to tell on either of them (Yes, that includes Bates!!) you cant argue with whats been served up so far

results = Very Good
fitness = good
overall quality = ok
signings = very good
team spirit = very good
fans/crowd = very good

LONG MAY THEY REIGN

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Gopher · Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:01 am Post subject:

No, my views are still the same. Armley IS a tight twat. Laughing

We will wait and see how the grinning chimp does if plan A goes tits up at some stage, if he does show managerial skills and pull promotion or a playoff spot then I will take back all I have said about the short arsed prick. Wink

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wewantourdarbyback · Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject:

I think Wise was out of his depth with that squad at this early stage of his management career in the Championship. This season he is showing he has potential. Kandol looks ok, but i'm not going to make drastic rethinks of anyone atm

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weasel · Nigel Martyn Joined: 29 May 2007 Posts: 386

To be honest he inherited a bunch of over the hill under achievers. Whereas Kevin fawned all over them Wise presumably didn't rate any of them as none had achieved anything but playing average football outside of the top flight. Any half decent youths had been sold (Lennon, Carson etc) and there was no incentive for the players in the team to get promoted as they weren't premiership class and would simply be replaced.
Luton are what Leeds were. Reasonably tight at the back, don't create much but will nick a fair few 1-0 wins playing boring football and hoping that the odd 25 yarder will go in.

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andywatson · Jack Charlton Joined: 12 May 2007 Posts: 83

Like quite a few I have started to come round to Wise. The difficulty is it takes a lot of forgiveness before I forget he is the manager that got us into this division in the first place. The question that has to be answered is whether Wise has come up to our level, or whether he has dragged us down to his?

As for Bates, hate the bastard with a vengence.

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Recent results have improved. That cannot be denied.

Wise always was, and is still, a thick thug.

Would Wise still be here if Bates were not? I doubt it.

Would Bates have sacked any other manager than Wise for getting us to our lowest ever point? I suspect he would.

Was the squad taken over by Wise, with which he achieved relegation, much worse, in terms of strength and depth, than that with which Blackwell achieved consolidation year 1, and then play off final? Probably not.

All of which matters not a jot. BAtes is here. And all the time he is here, so is Wise. If Bates gives Wise the money to improve the squad, we should do well. But even a monkey (like Wise) could do that.

hugo rune · Jack Charlton Joined: 15 May 2007 Posts: 83

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Where have i heard that before? So it's ok to let our standards drop and win at all costs? That may be ok for you, but not for me.

Tanhilltimmy · Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject:

My personal opinion of bates will never change, as for Wise I'm waiting for us to start playing well before I decide (and for him to stop getting involved in touchline idiocies).

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