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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:03 am    Post subject: Decision by the FA - when will it be made? Reply with quote

Yesterday the FA met and were supposedly going to make a decision about our fifteen point deduction. I haven't seen any report on any decision made - be it positive (get our points back or refer the matter to an independent body) or negative (turning down our appeal).

Is the FA meeting again today? Or do we have to wait some time before they meet again?



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure when the announcement is due. I have read in various reports that the FA may shirk this one and pass it onto an independent review body.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nlag wrote:
Not sure when the announcement is due. I have read in various reports that the FA may shirk this one and pass it onto an independent review body.


I've heard the same but I expected them to make that announcement when they met yesterday...so the question is, when will we hear anything at all?



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

still no news



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I honestly believe that if we get any points back it'll be a maximum of 6 points, still that would take us up to 5th and only 4 points behind Orient.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gelderdender wrote:
I honestly believe that if we get any points back it'll be a maximum of 6 points, still that would take us up to 5th and only 4 points behind Orient.


That will mean relegation and a 19 point deduction in total. That's the same punishment as Juve for match fixing for years! Surely we could take it to UEFA as unjust punishment then! Evil or Very Mad


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Todays YP


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Leeds have to wait on their appeal over points deduction

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By Richard Sutcliffe
LEEDS UNITED are not expected to hear until later this week whether their appeal against a 15-point deduction is likely to be heard by an independent review panel.
The Elland Road club have asked the Football Association to intervene in the matter after being docked 15 points on the eve of the new season by the Football League.

Leeds' fate was decided by 70 of their fellow 71 League clubs (Bury having not turned up) at a specially convened August 9 meeting.

But Ken Bates feels this is unfair and that an independent panel should instead have been set up.

The issue is understood to have been discussed at an FA board meeting in Soho Square yesterday but a spokesman last night told the Yorkshire Post: "There will be no statement for the media and we will contact Leeds in due course."

The FA does not have jurisdiction to overrule a Football League decision, but they could recommend a review by an independent panel.

It was just such a panel that decided the fates of Sheffield United and West Ham United during the controversial Carlos Teves affair that culminated in the Blades being relegated from the Premier League at the end of last season.

Bates referred to the issue in his programme notes
before the 2-0 win over Swansea City at the weekend.

"I have said before, whether you agree or disagree with the outcome of the (Carlos) Tevez case, at least it was made by an independent tribunal, not by 64 self-interested competitors," wrote Bates.

United have managed to bounce back from the blow of such a draconian penalty from the League to equal a new club record for consecutive victories at the start of a season.

The victory over Swansea was the seventh in a row this term by Dennis Wise's side, who now sit 18th in the League One table.

Not since 1973, when Don Revie led the club to Championship glory, have Leeds won seven games in a row at the start of the season.

United could be boosted further this week by the return of Alan Thompson. The former England midfielder has missed the last three games through injury but could return to training as early as today.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if the FA cannot overrule the FL, then we will not be getting points back any time soon, if at all. The FA can recommend an independent review, but can they enforce one, and even if they do, will the FL agree to any conclusion?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long does it take to say no? Could it be they're looking for some way to say at least a partial yes, whilst striving to avoid looking silly and making the F.L. look silly? As far as I'm concerned they can stick their 15 points, I can't imagine anything sweeter than winning this league despite the deduction. F.T.F.L. & F.T.F.A.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome RobofLeeds Very Happy

I don't understand why these annopuncements take so long after meetings. Perhaps they have to make sure that they are on sound ground legally before they come out.

I don't expect any points back. Anything we do get would obviously be a huge bonus.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chaps
We havent asked the FA to give our points back because they do not have the power to do so.
We have asked the FA to appoint an independent tribuanl to adjudicate on our case.

Whatever, it will take a long time, which is fine by me because it is keeping the team up for it as they see it as an injustice.



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks JJ.....My question remains unanswered.....If the FA appoint an independent review team, are the FL duty bound to implement whatever conclusion?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The FA is due to make its decision "public" as in informing LUFC next week I had read. This is the decision is they will A. allow an appeal, and if they do, B. will it be an independant review or something internal

If the review is carried, are the FL "duty bound" to implement the recommendations. The answer there is technically NO as they are just recommendations - However they (the FL) will determine if they want to be seen as "fighting" the FA and will probably implement the changes

Hence it is the "review and recommendations" which, at best, will have the soft-cock approach of giving us back some points which will then be gleefully implemented by FL

Make sense?



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the YEP:

Thursday 27 September
7.46am - Yorkshire Evening Post reveal Leeds United may find today out what the FA have decided following Monday's meeting at which the clubs penalty points appeal was heard. Keep checking back.



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

30 Mill wrote:


If the review is carried, are the FL "duty bound" to implement the recommendations. The answer there is technically NO as they are just recommendations - However they (the FL) will determine if they want to be seen as "fighting" the FA and will probably implement the changes



Make sense?


Thank you. That answers my question.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hair wrote:
From the YEP:

Thursday 27 September
7.46am - Yorkshire Evening Post reveal Leeds United may find today out what the FA have decided following Monday's meeting at which the clubs penalty points appeal was heard. Keep checking back.


I'm not holding my breath Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hiccups have gone then


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have thought that if an independent tribunal made a judgement of our case then the FL would be hard pressed not to accept it. However such a judgement might mean that the FL's initial imposition is upheld, reduced or even, in the worst case, increased.

Whatever I would not expect resolution until perhaps early in the new year



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